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Swiss OK ban on new minarets

Right-wing initiative regards mosques’ spires as symbols of militant Islam

The Associated Press
updated 3:14 p.m. ET, Sun., Nov . 29, 2009
GENEVA - Swiss voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional ban on minarets on Sunday, barring construction of the iconic mosque towers in a surprise vote that put Switzerland at the forefront of a European backlash against a growing Muslim population.

Muslim groups in Switzerland and abroad condemned the vote as biased and anti-Islamic. Business groups said the decision hurt Switzerland's international standing and could damage relations with Muslim nations and wealthy investors who bank, travel and shop there.

"The Swiss have failed to give a clear signal for diversity, freedom of religion and human rights," said Omar Al-Rawi, integration representative of the Islamic Denomination in Austria, which said its reaction was "grief and deep disappointment."

About 300 people turned out for a spontaneous demonstration on the square outside parliament, holding up signs saying, "That is not my Switzerland," placing candles in front of a model of a minaret and making another minaret shape out of the candles themselves.

"We're sorry," said another sign. A young woman pinned to her jacket a piece of paper saying, "Swiss passport for sale."

The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People's Party labeled minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation. The initiative was approved 57.5 to 42.5 percent by some 2.67 million voters. Only four of the 26 cantons or states opposed the initiative, granting the double approval that makes it part of the Swiss constitution.

Muslims comprise about 6 percent of Switzerland's 7.5 million people. Many are refugees from the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s and about one in 10 actively practices their religion, the government says.

The country's four standing minarets, which won't be affected by the ban, do not traditionally broadcast the call to prayer outside their own buildings.

The sponsors of the initiative provoked complaints of bias from local officials and human-rights group with campaign posters that showed minarets rising like missiles from the Swiss flag next to a fully veiled woman. Backers said the growing Muslim population was straining the country "because Muslims don't just practice religion."

"The minaret is a sign of political power and demand, comparable with whole-body covering by the burqa, tolerance of forced marriage and genital mutilation of girls," the sponsors said. They noted that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has compared mosques to Islam's military barracks and called "the minarets our bayonets."

Anxieties about growing Muslim minorities have rippled across Europe in recent years, leading to legal changes in some countries. There have been French moves to ban the full-length body covering known as the burqa. Some German states have introduced bans on head scarves for Muslim women teaching in public schools. Mosques and minaret construction projects in Sweden, France, Italy, Austria, Greece, Germany and Slovenia have been met by protests.

But the Swiss ban in minarets, sponsored by the country's largest political party, was one of the most extreme reactions.

"It's a sad day for freedom of religion," said Mohammed Shafiq, the chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a British youth organization. "A constitutional amendment that's targeted towards one religious community is discriminatory and abhorrent."

He said he was concerned the decision could have reverberations in other European countries.

Amnesty International said the vote violated freedom of religion and would probably be overturned by the Swiss supreme court or the European Court of Human Rights.

The seven-member Cabinet that heads the Swiss government had spoken out strongly against the initiative but the government said it accepted the vote and would impose an immediate ban on minaret construction.

It said that "Muslims in Switzerland are able to practice their religion alone or in community with others, and live according to their beliefs just as before." It took the unusual step of issuing its press release in Arabic as well as German, French, Italian and English.

Sunday's results stood in stark contrast to opinion polls, last taken 10 days ago, that showed 37 percent supporting the proposal. Experts said before the vote that they feared Swiss had pretended during the polling that they opposed the ban because they didn't want to appear intolerant.

"The sponsors of the ban have achieved something everyone wanted to prevent, and that is to influence and change the relations to Muslims and their social integration in a negative way," said Taner Hatipoglu, president of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Zurich. "Muslims indeed will not feel safe anymore."

The People's Party has campaigned mainly unsuccessfully in previous years against immigrants with campaign posters showing white sheep kicking a black sheep off the Swiss flag and another with brown hands grabbing eagerly for Swiss passports.

Geneva's main mosque was vandalized Thursday when someone threw a pot of pink paint at the entrance. Earlier this month, a vehicle with a loudspeaker drove through the area imitating a muezzin's call to prayer, and vandals damaged a mosaic when they threw cobblestones at the building.

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The image of the Swiss always seems to be neutral and tolerant. This is definitely not something I would have expected...especially being led by right wingers.
kindnessfirst
QUOTE (Calypso @ Nov 29 2009, 12:25 PM) *
The image of the Swiss always seems to be neutral and tolerant. This is definitely not something I would have expected...especially being led by right wingers.

Me either!

This said though ... let me ask how comfortable folks are with the increasing numbers and influence of the Muslim population. Are you? As Islam faithful numbers grow, they will likely not be as tolerant of policy and laws that support tolerance as the Jews, Christians, and Agnostics have been. Are you okay with a loss of regard as the Muslim faithful continue to exert their strength in numbers?
Calypso
Yet, that story points out that only 1 in 10 Muslims in Switzerland actually practices their faith. The other 9 are probably the equivalent of the C&E Christians and High Holiday Jews. While they might fight for the rights of their people, they're not likely to run around trying to impose Sha'aria law.
Paul
KF, are you speaking of Muslim's in general growing in number, or of Islamic extremist's growing in number? I know you're aware of the difference between the two and I'm not trying to oppose your opinion. It just seemed like there's a chance here that you were combining the two group's into one, with your viewpoint.

If you were talking generally about the Muslim faith, I see no need to worry any more than any other faith having a growth spurt.
Extremist's on the other hand, of any faith, should be cause for everyone to pay attention and give much regard to their increase in number's.

I think, and this is only a personal opinion/observation, that there's concern for the gray area of an increase in Muslim number's. The 'gray area' being that it's almost too easy for an extremist to hide behind any general faith. It stand's to reason that if the Muslim number's are growing, then too the chance or likelihood of the extremist's within that faith will/can grow in number as well.

But with that said, in a country where freedom of religion is a right, there isn't anything wrong with the extremist point of view either. It's trying to contain their action's that become's, or can become, a real problem. And by that I only mean any of their action's that infringe upon anyone else's right's.

I'm in agreement with both of you on the level of surprise that the neutrality of the Swiss seem's to be faltering here. Scary time's indeed.
kindnessfirst
QUOTE (Paul @ Nov 29 2009, 04:08 PM) *
. . . I'm not trying to oppose your opinion. . . .

I may have missed my own post. Did I suggest I had an opinion? I thought I was just asking a question.
Paul
QUOTE (kindnessfirst @ Nov 29 2009, 05:57 PM) *
.. As Islam faithful numbers grow, they will likely not be as tolerant of policy and laws that support tolerance as the Jews, Christians, and Agnostics have been. ...
That sounded like you opining.

QUOTE (kindnessfirst @ Nov 29 2009, 05:57 PM) *
Are you okay with a loss of regard as the Muslim faithful continue to exert their strength in numbers?
And reading this statement after your opinion, led me to think along the line's of what I was asking clarity for.
Specifically, the question you posed was of the "Muslim faithful" exerting their strength in numbers. Extremist's are known for 'exerting their strength in number's'. Not necessarily the Muslim faithful. This is what led me to believe you might be lumping them into the same category. The Muslim faith is one of peace and non violence, and tolerance. There is no "strength in number's" to exert. Do you see what I'm getting at?

I know you were just asking a question, but it seemed like the question itself was jaded, that's all.
Calypso
Not to mention that there are plenty of Christians, Jews and Agnostics who are intolerant of other religions...this is not something relegated to the people who observe Islam.
Jack Daniel's
History has shown that when any one organized religion becomes the majority, that the strident ones begin to increase their power and the hold over the less enthusiastic of their fold. Witness the Crusades and the inquisition as just one example.

The Muslims may be beneficent now, but as you can see in countries where they have a strong majority, their hold over the people becomes more and more strident.

It is not any one religion or political movement, but more a case of a lack of checks and balances.
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